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Cameron Family - St. Peters Manitoba

Post by dlarsen » Sun Oct 14, 2007 10:12 am

Very nice work on the site! Looking forward to discovering more info through future collaborations.

My father’s mother was Ethel Larsen (b. 25-Apr-1897, previously Anderson (first husband killed in WWI) and nee Cameron). She was born on the St. Peter’s “Indian Settlement”. Her father was Fred Cameron (b 25-Aug-1864 (stated on Death Certificate). I am nearly certain that he is the same Fred Cameron that is quoted on this Manitoba Historical Society page: http://www.mhs.mb.ca/docs/mb_history/18 ... ture.shtml I know for certain that Fred is buried at St. Peter’s “Dynevor” (though there is no marker).

Fred and his family all lived in St. Peter’s until the settlement was relocated to the new Peguis reserve in the Interlake. I have no details on when Ethel relocated from Peguis to Winnipeg – but she was likely there until she was 17 or 18. She lived in Winnipeg since WW1 and later married my grandfather Otto Larsen on 16-Feb-1924.

Ethel’s mother was Eliza Asham (abt. 1868). Eliza Asham’s mother’s name was Matilda Thomas and father was Isaac Asham. That may be a point where our trees intersect. Although in reviewing your names page – I can see that all 3 names appear there (Cameron, Asham, Thomas).

I am currently stumped on Fred Cameron’s parents. It is very likely that he was either adopted or illegitimate. His death certificate lists parents as Thomas (Cameron) and Elizabeth (no maiden name is given for Elizabeth only the family name of Cameron).

I only started my genealogy search about 18 months ago – and haven’t been able to spend as much time on it as I would like to. I have been using only census records for my search so far and that is why I only extend back to the late 1800’s.

I would be very interested to share any information I have about the Fred Cameron family of St. Peter’s (The “Indian Settlement”) that I have. I have been contemplating membership in the MB Historical Society to help me with my search for more information on Fred Cameron – but just haven’t found the time so far.

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Frederick CAMERON b-1864

Post by gnstill » Sun Oct 14, 2007 11:09 am

Thanks very much for your registration Don. This represents the very first posting on the Forum. Nice to get things up and running!

Regarding Frederick CAMERON: Census 1881 has a Margaret CAMERON, age 45 (born 1836). She was enumerated in St Andrews/Lisgar (alone) with four children: Frederic, age 24; Catherine, age 14l Alex, age 12; and Willie, age 7.

I suspect this may have been your Frederick and his mother. I will check further. I have other information which I will post later, after I do some more checking.

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Fred Cameron

Post by dlarsen » Sun Oct 14, 2007 11:41 am

Very pleased to be the first post.

That's interesting your 1881 census data.

I think there is a relationship - but not sure if Margaret is mother.

The ages don't quite line up (about 4 years difference). I have Frederick Cameron's death certificate - which lists parents as Elizabeth and Thomas. His birth date is stated as 25-Aug-1864, which would make him 16 or 17 years old in 1881 (depending on the census date).

On his marriage certificate, I have a Maggie Cameron listed as his mother though which jives with your information - so why is Elizabeth listed as mother on his death certificate? Its a curious discrepency.

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Post by gnstill » Sun Oct 14, 2007 3:19 pm

With Census 1881 information a few years difference in birth dates is not uncommon. Perhaps Margaret Elizabeth was her name.

On the Mormons Website I found a Thomas CAMERON (no bd/parents) who married Mar 2, 1853 in Peguis (This would be the old Peguis i.e. St Peters) to Elizabeth BADGER who was born 1843 in Winnipeg, Five children are mentioned (Jane Mary, Elizabeth Sophia, Elizabeth, Isabella and William (Willie?)
This matches up with the following:
Archivianet/ re Govt Scrip: That Isabelle THORP (nee CAMERON) applied before the Commission for share of Scrip she alleged to be due to her deceased mother Elizabeth BADGER widow of Thomas CAMERON whose name appears on the list of HB Heads her claim was refused. The said Elizabeth BADGER having died while she was on Indian Treaty

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Fred Cameron

Post by dlarsen » Sun Oct 14, 2007 8:04 pm

There is also the possibility that I could have the wrong death certificate. But again how many Fred Camerons could have been born in St. Peters within a 5 year window between 1864 and 1868? I will do a bit more dilligence on the death certificate that i have (i acquired it via manitoba vital statistics search - and not because is was passed on to me on anything like that).

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Post by dlarsen » Tue Oct 30, 2007 2:18 pm

Would you be able to point me to census sources for years earlier than 1901? I have access to 1901 and 1906 censuses taken at old Peguis (St. Peters) and the family group for Frederick Cameron and Eliza (nee Asham) Cameron is well defined on these two cenusus. I am a member of www.ancestry.ca and these are two documents that I can access via that service provider.

The age info on the two censuses (for Fred Cameron) does seem to jive with the 1864 birth date (aligning with what I have on the Fred Cameron death certificate). I haven't seen any other occurrences of the name Fred Cameron in the St. Peters reserve (apart from Fred Jr. (b. 1889) - so nothing I've seen yet is steering me away from the death certifcate I have for Fred Cameron. The inconsistancy that persists is the difference in names stated as parents on the death cert. versus name of mother stated on marriage certificate (Fred Cameron married Eliza Asham in 1886 in Selkirk). Name of Fred Cameron's mother on marriage cert. says "Maggie" and no father is listed.
More digging to do, I guess. If you could point me to earlier dated (census or parish resources that will help.

Cheers,
Don L.

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Frederick CAMERON - Census information

Post by gnstill » Tue Oct 30, 2007 6:23 pm

I have Frederick Cameron information from the 1906 and 1911 censuses, but I cannot find him on the 1901 census. Could you post the census 1901 information?
Also, what was the death date and location for Frederick?

Census 1881 information is available on the following Mormons Website:
< http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/ ... search.asp >

For other census information:
< http://www.collectionscanada.ca/02/020121_e.html >

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Fred Cameron Census Dates

Post by dlarsen » Tue Oct 30, 2007 8:05 pm

Hi Gary,

Correction on those census dates - I actually have 1906 and 1911 as well - not 1901 as earlier stated.

Thank you for providing the additional links - I will check those out.

Re: Death Certificate
Name on Cert - Fred Cameron
Residence - Hodgson, Man.
Racial Origin - Indian
Place of Birth - St. Peters, Man.
Date of Birth - 25 August 1864
Occupation - (type written "None" is crossed out and "Farmer" is hand written adjacent to crossed out word).
Place of Death - St. Boniface Hospital, St. Boniface, Manitoba
Date of Death - 29 January 1928
Name of father - Thomas Cameron
Birthplace of father - St. Peters, Man.
Maiden name of mother - Elizabeth Cameron
Birthplace of mother - St. Peters, Man.
Name of physician attending - Dr. Brodie, Winnipeg

Hodgson is right on the south border of the (current) Peguis reserve - so that seems to fit.

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Next Steps for Cameron Research

Post by dlarsen » Thu Nov 01, 2007 8:07 am

I am going to take out a membership with the Manitoba Genealogical Society (http://www.mbgenealogy.com/). They apparently have a copy of the Parish Register for St. Peters. It's possible (likely) that not all BMD events for the region are recorded in the register - but I think that is a logical next step. I know that the Cameron family was affiliated (belonged) to the church as I am told my grandmother (Ethel (Cameron) Larsen) was the church organist there as a youth (probably just for a year or two before being moved to the new Peguis site).

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Fred CAMERON

Post by gnstill » Thu Nov 01, 2007 10:00 am

Thanks very much for the Death Certificate information.
Please let me know if you find anything intersting from the Manitoba Genealogical Society.
Just as a matter of interest regarding Census 1901: I did find a Frederick CAMERON enumerated at Rat Portage (Kenora, Ontario) born around 1871 (age 35); his wife was Elizabeth born around 1880 (age 21), Both were recorded as Ojibwe (racial origin) and born in Ontario. Not likely our Fred, but we can't seem to find him anywhere else in that census

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Re: Cameron Family - St. Peters Manitoba

Post by maggiefor1 » Thu Apr 07, 2011 12:06 pm

my name is margaret larsen. i was married to carl larsen. we have a daughter named janet larsen. janet has been trying to locate her fathers place of birth. we thought it was winnipeg, but there is no record of his being born there. i wonder if you could help her in finding out his place of birth. my email address is maggiefor1 @hotmail.com. thank you so much.

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Re: Cameron Family - St. Peters Manitoba

Post by gnstill » Thu Apr 07, 2011 7:57 pm

I would need a few more clues.
To begin with, approximately when was Carl born? Is he still living? If not, when did he die?
Do you have any other clues? His brothers or sisters' or aunts/ uncles' names, etc
I have a few LARSEN families in my files who descended from families that came from Demark.

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Re: Cameron Family - St. Peters Manitoba

Post by dlarsen » Fri Apr 08, 2011 10:54 am

For Margaret Larsen. I had an Uncle named Carl Larsen, but never knew him. Was Carl's mother's name Ethel and father named Otto? If it is the same Carl Larsen, he would have had an older half-brother Herb (Anderson) and a full brother, Ed (my father, still living) and two sisters, Alice (dec.) and Doris (dec.). I will drop you an email to this effect as well. If it is the same Carl - then Winnipeg would have been the birth place. I am not sure of the birth year of Carl. Doris was born in 1922. Alice was born in 1929 and Ed was born in 1934. I think Carl would have been born between 1922 and 1929 (between Doris and Alice).

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Re: Cameron Family - St. Peters Manitoba

Post by gnstill » Sat Apr 09, 2011 11:43 am

I might be able to help, but will take me a while to update and review some of my LARSEN files.

Does the name Don LARSEN ring any bells? Can't remember where I got his name, but he was apparently a grandson of Ethel Elsie (nee CAMERON) ANDERSON and Otto LARSEN (born 1891 in Copenhagen, Denmark).

Will make another posting later, after I do some more research.

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